Be up to you and I cannot be. Number one is don't stop trying, and number two is prepare your story.

由你决定，我不能。第一是不要停止尝试，第二是准备好你的故事。
Thank you. Seeing for your time today, really, really appreciate the time. Can you maybe tell me a little bit about yourself?

谢谢。看到你今天的时间，真的，真的感谢时间。你能告诉我一些关于你自己的事情吗？

I'm currently a technical program manager and google. I think my path has been all over the places going transition from a biomedical researcher to business analytics, professional. And right now, i'm a technical program manager initially. When I my undergrad was in commission biology, and then I came to us to study on medical sciences. I see the phd program, but during the phdi decide that I wanted to go on the business side. I quit it, and then I got mba at the university of north carolina chapel hill, go hills.

我目前是谷歌的技术项目经理。我认为我的人生之路是从生物医学研究员到商业分析专业人员的转变。现在，我最初是一名技术项目经理。当我读本科的时候，我在生物学委员会，然后我来到美国学习医学科学。我看到了博士课程，但在PHDI期间，我决定去商业方面。我放弃了，然后我在北卡罗来纳大学教堂山分校获得了工商管理硕士学位。

Then after go here, right? After we're from the same school, and after mba I was all over the places I did consulting corporate strategy during my mba internship. And after graduation, I first work in an operational management of operational planning and analytic space. Then I took a 3 month gig adventure capital firm that was super interesting. So there I joined to, ii joined one with portfolio startup company at that time to be the one person data team running all sorts of analytics. During that time start up with growing very fast, very exciting, went from series a to series b in just I was there for almost 1 year. And then an opportunity came. And I landed into google. At first I was in the legal operations role as a data analyst in google legal department without any legal background whatsoever. I was in the legal department for 1.5 year until I decided to make aa chris switch like internal transfer into my current role, which is a technical program manager in security, private and safety.

然后去这里，对吗？在我们从同一所学校毕业后，在MBA毕业后，我在MBA实习期间到处做企业战略咨询。毕业后，我首先在一家运营管理公司从事运营规划和分析空间的工作。然后我参加了一个为期3个月的冒险资本公司，非常有趣。所以我加入了，当时我加入了一家投资组合创业公司，成为一个人的数据团队，运行各种分析。在那段时间里，我开始快速成长，非常令人兴奋，从A系列到B系列，我在那里呆了将近一年。然后一个机会来了。我登陆了谷歌。起初，我在谷歌法律部门担任数据分析师的法律运营角色，没有任何法律背景。我在法律部门工作了一年半，直到我决定让AA Chris像内部调动一样转到我目前的职位，即安全、私人和安全方面的技术项目经理。
And I work still focusing on analytics.

我的工作仍然专注于分析。

You mentioned something about how you got an opportunity and then you jump to google. Can you may be sure a little bit about the process like, did you what you would approach by recruiter? Or did you like apply with the referral? And also, what did like the interview process look like? And how long did it really take from applying to actually getting the job offer?

你提到了一些关于你如何得到一个机会，然后你跳到谷歌。你能确定一下这个过程吗，比如，你会和招聘人员接触吗？还是你喜欢用推荐人来申请？还有，面试过程是怎样的？从申请到真正获得工作机会，到底花了多长时间？
Here's a well non secret secret is I apply to google so many times, maybe more than 10 times. That was the only time when I actually got into the interview phase. Before that, I applied to google before my mba doing my mba is my leadership and after nba but all those times I like my resume never got into the phone screening face.

这里有一个很好的非秘密的秘密是我申请谷歌这么多次，也许超过10次。那是我唯一一次真正进入面试阶段。在那之前，我申请了谷歌，在我读MBA之前，我的MBA是我的领导，在NBA之后，但所有这些时候，我喜欢我的简历从来没有进入过电话筛选。
That was a time when when I was working a in a startup company. And I initially I heard my friend from google who's who told me about an opportunity that really interests me. So she referred me. And although that particular position in her team does not didn't work out in the end, I simultaneously applied to some other roles at google at the same time. And I ended up interviewing for google like two different positions at google at the same time. One is for a proposal positions are like data analyst role just in different teams, one illegal one in another team. And I went through the whole interview process for both of those roles, such as there's something interesting google like we can literally and every roads are evaluated independently until at the face where the one of the roads victor told me we're going to move on for you to get into the hiring committee decision.

那是我在一家初创公司工作的时候。最初，我听到我的谷歌名人录的朋友告诉我一个真正让我感兴趣的机会。所以她推荐了我。虽然她团队中的那个职位最终没有成功，但我同时申请了谷歌的其他职位。我最终参加了谷歌的面试，就像同时在谷歌的两个不同的职位一样。一个是提案职位，就像数据分析师的角色，只是在不同的团队中，一个是非法的，另一个是非法的。我经历了这两个职位的整个面试过程，比如谷歌有一些有趣的东西，我们可以从字面上和每一条道路都进行独立评估，直到维克托告诉我，我们将继续前进，让你进入招聘委员会的决定。
And at this stage, you have to decline or you have to withdraw your other open applications. Yeah, so I said i'll go with this one.

在这个阶段，你必须拒绝，或者你必须撤回你的其他开放申请。是的，所以我说我会用这个。
So tell me about what you do as a technical program manager. And it seems like you're doing technical program management and the big data and analytic side.

告诉我你作为技术项目经理是做什么的。看起来你在做技术项目管理以及大数据和分析方面的工作。
Yeah, I think this is super interesting role, because this is a role as a technical manager. We are we are bridging the vision and execution, like as a program manager, we are the first multiplier and we are the activator. Then as a focus, data is our tool that we say, for example, in my role, i'm pretty much spending 1/3 my time, like doing building data pipelines, integrating with engineering systems, a lot of collaboration with engineering teams. Another one set my time is about, say, analyzing the data and generating insights.

是的，我认为这是一个非常有趣的角色，因为这是一个技术经理的角色。我们在愿景和执行之间架起桥梁，就像项目经理一样，我们是第一个倍增器，我们是激活器。然后作为一个重点，数据是我们的工具，我们说，例如，在我的角色中，我几乎花费了1/3的时间，比如建立数据管道，与工程系统集成，与工程团队的大量协作。我的另一项工作是，比如说，分析数据并产生见解。
Then another one sort of my time is about the proper management parts. Yeah, like I just mentioned bridging the vision and execution and communicating across the board, make sure that the people from across different functions are working together.

然后我的另一种时间是关于适当的管理部分。是的，就像我刚才提到的在愿景和执行之间架起桥梁，并进行全面沟通，确保来自不同职能部门的人员协同工作。
Gotcha. What's the difference between technical program manager and it just program manager. Is it about the engagement with the engineers?

抓到你了技术项目经理和IT项目经理之间有什么区别？是关于与工程师的约定吗？
Yes, technical program manager is program manager plus technical by being technical, it means that you you can make technical decisions. And you expected to have that technical judgments. Say, for example, you。

是的，技术项目经理是项目经理加上技术，这意味着你可以做出技术决策。你希望有技术判断。比如说，你。
like.

喜欢。
ii may write my own headline, and sometimes I I will like write code just at engineer with you. And some other times, I would critique engineers, design dog, or I would write my own design dog and being created by engineers. Like ii need to have a typical judgment and a typical judgment.

我可能会写我自己的标题，有时我会喜欢和你一起写代码。其他时候，我会评论工程师，设计狗，或者我会写我自己的设计狗，由工程师创造。像II需要有一个典型的判断和典型的判断。
Somehow can we into the way we manage program? Say, for example, we need to add a program manager. We need to consider all different edge cases, different dependencies, and to prioritize things based on, say, do some risk management? How can we estimate the risk, the impact to to make the decision on where we shall prioritize our effort? How are we going about scheduling and all those different dependency managements? Those decisions have a lot of like technical expertise going into it as a technical manager were expected to own that. If as a program manager, it is not expected that you have the technical expertise, so program manager would rely very heavily on their energy counterparts to make those technical decisions.

我们能以某种方式进入我们管理程序的方式吗？比如说，我们需要增加一个项目经理。我们需要考虑所有不同的边缘情况，不同的依赖关系，并根据风险管理进行优先排序。我们如何评估风险和影响，以决定我们的工作重点？我们如何进行调度和所有这些不同的依赖关系管理？这些决定有很多类似的技术专业知识，因为技术经理被期望拥有它。如果作为一名项目经理，不期望你有技术专长，那么项目经理将非常依赖他们的能源同行来做出这些技术决策。
So for a technical program manager, will you be expected to have like the engineering background or experience in and tech to be a physical program manager.

所以对于一个技术项目经理来说，你需要有工程背景或技术经验才能成为一个物理项目经理。
This is a very interesting question. I I got asked many times, so I would say, hey, i'm not from an engineering background. When I first transferred from the legal operations analyst road to gpm role, at that time, our organization was called security engineering. And I like to joke, second engineering, I have no security background. I I have no engineering background at all. So what I was in security engineering, then I found out that actually, in our team is the ba team, business, analytic team, supporting the whole security, privacy, engineering.

这是一个非常有趣的问题。我被问了很多次，所以我会说，嘿，我没有工程背景。当我第一次从法律运营分析师转到GPM角色时，当时我们的组织被称为安全工程。我喜欢开玩笑，第二工程，我没有安全背景。我一点工程背景都没有。所以我在安全工程，然后我发现，实际上，在我们的团队中是BA团队，业务，分析团队，支持整个安全，隐私，工程。
All of us are coming from the background, not security, not privacy, so not engineering. But we are bringing in a growth mindset. Sometimes we bring the fresh mindset. Like a lot of times, I think it's about we as atpm we were there to bring aa to bring the diverse perspectives together, some of those perspectives coming from our own. And some of those are what we were there at a bridge. But because of our diverse background, I say, for example, you and I are from nba backgrounds, and thus we have some common language, while speaking to your finance or marketing or or whatever like those functions, right? If we are in the engineering products meeting, then we should represent whoever the empty seats on the table to bring those voices together so that we can make more informed decisions.

我们所有人都来自幕后，不是安全，不是隐私，也不是工程。但我们正在引入一种增长的心态。有时我们会带来新鲜的心态。就像很多时候，我认为这是关于我们作为ATPM，我们在那里把AA带到一起，把不同的观点聚集在一起，其中一些观点来自我们自己。其中一些是我们在桥上看到的。但由于我们的背景不同，我说，例如，你和我都来自NBA背景，因此我们有一些共同语言，在谈论你的财务或营销或类似的功能时，对吗？如果我们在工程产品会议上，那么我们应该代表桌子上的空座位，把这些声音聚集在一起，这样我们就可以做出更明智的决定。
And I think this is our unit strength like to, I guess, to summer I being atpm does not require engineering backgrounds.

我认为这是我们单位的优势，我想，夏天我是ATPM不需要工程背景。
Gotcha, no, I love the answer unique perspective. And in the bridge.

明白了，不，我喜欢这个答案独特的视角。在桥上。
can you tell me about what you like the most, and then maybe something that you don't like that much about your role?

你能告诉我你最喜欢什么吗，或者你不太喜欢你的角色吗？
So what I really like about the role understand is really being the bridge and collecting adults, but the role is very dynamic. I couldn't think of any 2 days where I did that the same thing, like we're facing different challenges every day and all so very interesting, say, for example, literally something I did recently one day i'm representing to vc to give a 30,000 feet view of our, like, say, or security posture of different google products and some data driven recommendation, risk modeling about where we should invest our resources in.

所以我真正喜欢这个角色的原因是，我理解这个角色是真正的桥梁和收集成年人，但这个角色是非常动态的。我想不出有哪两天我做了同样的事情，就像我们每天都面临着不同的挑战，而且都非常有趣，比如说，我最近做了一件事，有一天我向VC展示了我们3万英尺的视野，比如说，或者不同谷歌产品的安全态势和一些数据驱动的推荐，关于我们应该在哪里投入资源的风险建模。
And then literally on the second day, I was talking to our engineering partner and help them unblock some engineering problem. And I would say, hey, there's another team who is building such this. And they have that tiny little module. Maybe you can plug it in to unplug your use case, and then I collect them together and then I block them. So those are very interesting. A moment like this happen every day. It's like the role is so dynamic, and that's what a mixable challenging. If you ask me what's the difficult or the part, ii don't like there is a trade off. Like say, sometimes I think about the start of environments of them, like a big impact in very short amount of time. Ii think i'm sometimes still and yet about people who are at a startup. Say that's the part that sometimes I don't like, but then it's understandable. We are at google, we are facing, like we have products touching billions of users and that there should be lots of checks and balances to put in place in the system.

然后在第二天，我和我们的工程合作伙伴交谈，帮助他们解决一些工程问题。我会说，嘿，有另一个团队正在建造这样的东西。他们有很小的模块。也许你可以插入它来拔出你的用例，然后我把它们收集在一起，然后我阻止它们。所以这些都很有趣。这样时刻每天都在发生。这就像这个角色是如此充满活力，这是多么具有挑战性的混合。如果你问我有什么困难或部分，我不喜欢有一个交易。比如说，有时我会想到他们的环境的开始，就像在很短的时间内产生了很大的影响。我想我有时仍然是那些在创业的人。这是我有时不喜欢的部分，但这是可以理解的。我们在谷歌，我们面对的是，我们的产品触及数十亿用户，系统中应该有很多制衡机制。
Yeah, we have a lot of responsibility for sure.

是的，我们确实有很多责任。
Tell me about google's culture and maybe work that bounce a little bit.

告诉我谷歌的文化，也许工作会有一点反弹。
I'm sure you heard lots of things about culture and google. So to give you my perspective, as someone who lives through that like living that culture, I think google culture is rather light hearted or sometimes quirky. I can go on and on to give you a little joke. Basically, it's just aaa small example, like one. Once when I was writing my code, submitting a change list, I added a game in my change list to make a light of a mistake that I did. And then the next day I got notification, say I was editor of on a badge, say this badge was awarded to people who have been in the change list to encourage people having fun at work. It was this kind of very, very like light hearted, fun culture.

我相信你听说过很多关于文化和谷歌的事情。所以为了给你我的观点，作为一个生活在那种文化中的人，我认为谷歌文化是相当轻松的，有时甚至是古怪的。我可以继续给你讲个小笑话。基本上，这只是一个小例子，就像一个。有一次，我在编写代码时，提交了一个更改列表，我在更改列表中添加了一个游戏，以减轻我所犯的错误。然后第二天我收到通知，说我是一个徽章的编辑，说这个徽章被授予那些在改变名单中的人，以鼓励人们在工作中享受乐趣。这是一种非常非常轻松有趣的文化。
But when you think about google, like I a I have made lots of interesting people like from very interesting people from all walks of life at this background. When you have interesting people working on interesting problems, we're having lots of fun over it, like, say, security and privacy. It is a very serious topic. We have serious, we have serious responsibilities, but on the other hand, we're having fun. And this does not go. Jeff in work in project, but also in lives to, let's say, during this whole pandemic, there was a work from home talent show.

但是当你想到谷歌的时候，就像我一样，在这个背景下，我从各行各业的有趣的人中创造了很多有趣的人。当你让有趣的人处理有趣的问题时，我们会从中获得很多乐趣，比如安全和隐私。这是一个非常严肃的话题。我们很严肃，我们有严肃的责任，但另一方面，我们很开心。这个不能走。杰夫在项目中工作，但也在生活中，让我们说，在整个大流行期间，有一个在家工作的才艺表演。
Yeah, I I performed in that work from thailand show that was for the first time I showed some like outside talent. Okay?

是的，我在泰国的表演中表演了那个作品，那是我第一次展示一些像外面的人才。好的？
That's interesting. Ii think that's what I heard really like fun, work hard and then have fun kind of french culture at google. My last question is advice for those who want to join google.

那很有趣。我想这就是我所听到的真正的乐趣，努力工作，然后在谷歌享受法国文化的乐趣。我的最后一个问题是给那些想加入谷歌的人的建议。
Ii would say actually two parts. Number one is don't stop trying, and number two is prepare your story. I would say number one don't stop trying really for myself. I've tried more than 10 times and finally got into google. It happens a lot, not just me when I sometimes I chatting for what it was, my google colleagues. Lots of people had either like failed interview experience or when they applied to google, didn't even get a chance to interview, et cetera.

我会说实际上是两个部分。第一是不要停止尝试，第二是准备好你的故事。我想说的是，第一，不要停止为自己而努力。我已经尝试了10多次，最终进入了谷歌。这种情况经常发生，不只是我，有时我和我的谷歌同事聊天。很多人都有过失败的面试经历，或者当他们申请谷歌时，甚至没有机会面试，等等。
So it's very common. Like, say, if you got rejection from google, please don't give up, just keep trying. And you might try different roles. Like a lot of times. It's just like at the right time, right place by role. Yeah. Yeah. And also don't be discouraged. If you don't have engineering background. I don't have indian background at all, but I was attm but i'm attm right now. And lots of people are like me. So like your background does not determine what.

所以很常见。比如说，如果你被谷歌拒绝了，请不要放弃，继续努力。你可以尝试不同的角色。就像很多时候。这就像在正确的时间，正确的地点的角色。是啊。是啊。也不要气馁。如果你没有工程背景。我根本没有印度背景，但我是ATTM，但我现在是ATTM。很多人都和我一样。所以你的背景并不能决定什么。
It's not necessarily what you will be doing or what you like to do, really pursue what you love. Then the second part of it is a craft, your story. I think this goes into like, say, when we were in the school, we were lucky to have a career consultation services where we are taught. You say, for example, in behavioral questions, answer it in a very structure format like star situation, task, action, result, I would also add as take away or learning in the end.

这不一定是你将要做什么或你喜欢做什么，真正追求你所爱的。然后它的第二部分是一个工艺，你的故事。我认为这就像，比如说，当我们在学校的时候，我们很幸运有一个职业咨询服务，我们在那里接受教育。你说，例如，在行为问题中，用一种非常结构化的格式来回答它，比如STAR情景，任务，行动，结果，我还会在最后加上“带走”或“学习”。
Okay, so think about, say, when you are preparing your interview, try to like create a spreadsheet of here are all the photos that this job requires. Different roles and say in different columns. Here are my story 3132, and every story will touch upon some of the qualities required for this job. Think about this way, and then for every story, think about the star formats, and officially at the end, what's your learning? What's your take away?

好的，所以想一想，当你准备面试的时候，试着创建一个电子表格，这是这份工作需要的所有照片。不同的角色，在不同的栏目中发言。这是我的故事3132，每个故事都会涉及到这份工作所需的一些素质。想想这个方法，然后对于每一个故事，想想明星格式，最后正式地说，你学到了什么？你的收获是什么？
So some questions I I was asked, and I often asked an interviewer is if this project is highly successful, even if it's highly successful, I was still asked. If you want to do it over right now, what are the things you would do differently? So always have that reflective mindset.

所以我被问到一些问题，我经常问面试官这个项目是否非常成功，即使它非常成功，我仍然被问到。如果你现在想重来一次，你会做哪些不同的事情？所以永远要有反思的心态。
Ii love how you mentioned that, because I always say that use star l format when you have been learning at the end, it kind of gives people that you are always the world to learning girl. So love how you put that. Saying, I think that was all for today. I really, really appreciate your time today. Thank you so much.

我喜欢你提到的这一点，因为我总是说，当你在最后学习的时候，使用星形L格式，这让人们觉得你永远是学习女孩的世界。我喜欢你的说法。说，我想今天就到这里。我真的真的很感谢你今天的时间。非常感谢。
Thank you so much, yang. It was super fun. I love chat with you. Thank you.

太感谢你了，杨。超级有趣。我喜欢和你聊天。谢谢。